Sorry, the nauseum and spitting war comment was not directed at yourself. I just recently bowed out of a discussion where someone made an untrue statement. I called him on it with actual verified facts. He refused to except that he was wrong. He kept countering with one false statement after another which I proved wrong every single time. It's that kind of wasted time that led to my nausem comment.
Anyway you're on to me. I am Canadian. Before anyone tells me to butt out of American business please be aware the NRA also supplies funds to Canadian gun advocacy groups. They helped defeat what was known as the " the national long gun registry". The Provence of Quebec maintained there own registry which the NRA is now crying foul over. As well you shud know that 70% of guns seized from Canadian criminals, are guns that were stolen from US homes by US criminals and then smuggled into Canada. So yes I have every right to comment on your affairs.
Now Robert, of course we both want less murders, but how can more guns accomplish that? I live in a city of almost 1.5 million people. The city averages less than one gun homicide a month and it's big news when it happens. I see newspaper headlines talking about an epidemic because we have ALMOST one homicide a month. We are not saints. Horrible things happen here. We have gangs to. But I have never once felt an ounce of anxiety while walking local streets-never. Legally purchased firearms are regulated but reasonably easy to buy as long you pass background checks. Military style armory are banned. No one feels that their liberties are at risk. You ask for help in understanding on how fact/theory can be applied in the US. I can't answer that. It's obviously not a black and white issue. It's just that as an observer, I don't understand why the gun status quo has to be written in stone and cannot be challenged. To me more guns is just more guns for criminals to steal, and more guns to be used in domestic violence.
Okay I'm going to shut up know. I know I haven't really said anything the is really helpful other than to say there has got to be a better way. I not bashing America, I just ache for you. If you have read this far I am soory for the ramble. It just kept coming and I couldn't. I'm shutting up NOOOOW! :))
No constructive purpose would be served by "banning" the ArmaLite-15 type of arm; this is not an automatic, unusually deadly or 'military grade' weapon. It is, in fact, a less powerful caliber than that typically carried by deer hunters across the country, and no military in the world uses it as a combat rifle. They may appear intimidating to most persons unfamiliar with firearms, but this illusion is largely the result of cosmetic features which appeal to the eye of many owners.
hope1001: none of those nations to which you refer have anything resembling the US Constitution, with its unique protection of a basic right from government interference. Also, none of those countries have a fraction of the quantity of arms in the hands of citizens as do we; since criminals here will always be able to find weaponry to steal or unlawfully purchase, any efforts toward 'gun control' would only penalize the lawful gun owner/user.
hope1001: I understand "the point of this forum," and an extremely significant point to be made is that because firearms are unable to act on their own, the purposefully misleading term 'gun violence' is, in reality, 'criminal violence.' Therefore, essentially all of the blame being applied to firearms by progressive (freedom-hating hard left} dogma is a massively concerted effort to eliminate one of our most precious freedoms --- the right of self defense --- because Americans with firearms effectively protect themselves and/or others on at least several hundred thousand occasions annually.
Pro gun here. Family taught responsible gun handling rules to all our children beginning as early as 5yo, Now I teach grandkids just like my grandfather taught me. Heritage of hunting, sport/competitive shooting, law enforcement, military, many documented defensive uses of various fire arms confirmed by several family members over decades, even in defense of neighbors and others. Firmly support NRA as the last/only true defenders of 2nd. Amendment. Cousin is NRA instructor, retired, who was training police departments range instructors and set up gun safety Eddy Eagle programs all over this country to help communities teach children about the hazards of guns. Also have 1st. person accounts from German citizens (married into our family) that were alive when the Nazi's came to power and destroyed Germany with Gun Confiscations programs which started as "Safety for Citizens" schemes and registrations. History tells the truth about government corruptions and tyrannical steps to control their people. IT WILL HAPPEN HERE IF WE LET IT.
There has been senseless killing ever since the earliest historical records; and a long time before guns existed; so just eliminating guns would not make any difference in the amount of killings, just the way it happened. People also die from car wrecks more than ever die from being shot; but you never hear anyone saying that it is the car’s fault and we should ban all vehicles. Banning guns is just as ridiculous ! The danger with a gun depends on who is using it, and for what purpose, just the same as it is with a vehicle. Most car accidents are caused by poor driving, and most of those are from drunk drivers. Driving while intoxicated has been illegal for years; but that has not even begun to stop people from driving when they are drunk, and banning guns completely would still not stop killing.
I think the world without guns would look much like the world of today. We still have crime and war. Violence doesn't come because of guns.Crime and violence comes out in the minds of bad people.I think they will use other weapons like dagger,Bow and arrow,Stone axe,Just like the caveman people hehe.Violence existed without guns.Terrorism existed a hundred years ago.So I think as long as there's a bad people or crimanal in this world.Our world today will be the same with or without guns.
@junrose123@JayGum28 People don't commit crimes because they have guns, they commit crimes because of outside factors. You can still rob, rape, and/or murder someone with a hammer, just as effectively as if they used a gun. So how does this prevent crime as a whole?
Discipline and knowing your responsibility is a big factor in owning, much more carrying a gun. Different people reacts to different situations so i think you should know yourself that much to decide if you need to carry your weapon. I know that a gun provides great protection for someone's self, family or anyone that needed protection, but knowing that you own a gun does not mean that you will instantly use it when you feel something or a situation is not going in your favor. Your gun is your responsibility, you can carry it but you should know how and when to use it.
If you do not live under a rock and pay any attention to the news and media at all, you will have heard the terms “gun control” or “common sense gun control” and also “assault weapon ban.” The issue is that if you ask different people to define these terms, you get different answers. No one can explain for you exactly what these terms mean, and there is a reason for that—a very simple reason. These terms describe something that does not exist. There is no such thing.
What? I know, I know– you have been bombarded with these terms for a couple of years now. You think you know what they mean, but you really don’t. They simply do not exist: there is no way to have, make, or legislate anything called “gun control.”
Gun control is a fallacy that those who fear or do not like firearms use to try to describe something they think will stop the shootings and killings that happen around the country. Well, I hate to burst their bubble, but there is not one single law—not one single “gun-free zone” or anything like that—that has stopped a single shooting. I would love to see the confession of a gun-wielding psychopath who said they were going to shoot up a location but decided not to because they saw a sign that read “gun-free zone”. There are people who think this happens; they are so sure of this that they want to create more gun-free zones. I guess it will take some incident they are involved in to make them realize you cannot legislate safety by taking away the ability of law-abiding citizens to protect themselves.
By trying to pass a law that makes the possession of firearms illegal, the only people who would listen to that law are those least likely of all to ever shoot up a populated area. People who listen to the law are not the ones who commit these awful crimes. Murder is against the law and has been since the start of our country and before, yet people still do it. Most drugs are illegal to possess and use—we even have a so-called “war on drugs”—yet you can still buy them anywhere and at any time. Making something illegal only pushes it to the black market. If these people who want to pass gun control laws would just do a little research, they would find that criminals do not follow laws—that’s why they are called criminals.
According to a study by the Department of Justice, when interviewing criminals who were behind bars for firearms-related violent crimes, they found that less than 4% got their guns by legally buying them. The rest got them some other way, including buying them on the black market (already a crime), stealing them (already a crime), or having someone buy the firearm for them (already a crime). So what fantasy world do these people live in thinking that more laws will make criminals not get guns or shoot places up?
In the recent Ft. Lauderdale International Airport shooting, one of the stories you rarely see is about the armed pilot who got the people in the boarding area onto his plane and stood guard at the gangway to protect them. That pilot got it! It takes an armed person to stop an armed person. I do not understand the thinking that you can legislate morality and safety. What you can do is allow people to be able to defend themselves and others if they can.
Airports are one of those places in Florida where you cannot carry a concealed firearm. I am not saying that a person who may have been picking someone up at the airport in the luggage claim area where the shooter killed his victims could have stopped it from happening, but there is at least a chance that an armed, law-abiding citizen could have lessened or stopped the carnage from being what it was.
But we will never know. It’s a gun-free zone.
It’s time for a reality check and a hard look at real legislation that may help to reduce the number of deaths and victims. We should legislate away those places called “gun-free zones” and make it illegal to disallow the lawful carrying of a firearm anywhere that doing so is not federally prohibited. We should also allow people to carry a firearm, either open or concealed. There are only five states that do not allow this now, and Florida is one of them. Time to get with it, Florida. We have the highest number of concealed carry licenses in the entire country. Florida also has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the States.